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Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
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I received a question the other day about cleans and whether or not its an ideal movement for baseball players especially pitchers because of the stress placed upon the elbow/wrist joints. I'm a…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kevin Guild Mar 30, 2016.

 

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Kevin Guild replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"I like the idea of it coming down to risk/reward and the athlete population that is being worked with.  Take a young high school kid, where power and strength development are generally easier to achieve due to body maturation anyways, would the…"
Mar 30, 2016
John Weatherly replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"How many pro pitchers do cleans, snatches etc?  Can you show any studies on pitchers?  If these exercises are so great for pitchers why don't ML organizations to them?  Is there transfer to rotational sport?  Eric Cressey…"
May 13, 2015
Phillip Blacha replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"Perfect article.  Olympic lifting is one of the more safe movements that can be performed, because it goes through an entire range of motion.  Limiting joint motion is the reason individuals get hurt.  "
May 13, 2015
John Weatherly replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"MLB now has Pitch Smart (m.mlb.com/pitchsmart) with guidelines to help reduce injuries. "
Nov 12, 2014
Craig Cheek replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"I would contend that baseball is a sport where downward vertical force absorption is not critical. So what does a full catch-clean provide that a clean pull does not? Coming from a guy that has no problem doing the full catch with…"
Aug 28, 2014
John Weatherly replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"I agree with the 4 points above.  We need to quantify this objectively especially points 1 and 3.  The point with Dr. Wagner's movement signatures from force plate testing (mentioned in an above post) is individuals in sports are…"
Jun 7, 2014
timothy patrick swords replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"Good post Joey!! Sports specific is a nice term that is almost impossible to mimic for throwing the baseball. Make people strong and explosive while training on your feet.  Good post!!"
Jun 5, 2014
John Janecek replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"I looked and didnt see the post but I did find a comment from Dr. Wagner on a deadlift article on the first page. "The fact is, any movement can cause injury or harm if performed improperly but avoidance or abstinence can increase…"
Jun 4, 2014
John Weatherly replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"Interesting post by Dr. Phil Wagner on his blog (spartascience.com) Mon June 2 about pitchers movement signatures via Sparta's force plate testing compared to football, basketball players etc."
Jun 3, 2014
John Janecek replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"Good points-I also think alot more of these surgeries (not just on BB players but other sports as well) come from these kids throwing year round in these select leagues?  I wonder if quite a few of them had these surgeries without ever doing a…"
Jun 2, 2014
John Weatherly replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"Again, good discussion and I'm not trying to argue either but this exemplifies why we need evidence-based practices.  How many QBS or VB players have Tommy John surgery?  There's a lot of difference between throwing a football…"
Jun 2, 2014
John Janecek replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"This made me think of someting else. While not exactly the same I use cleans with my volleyball players (tons of overhead hitting/serving), softball (they still throw overhand), and quarterbacks in football (has to be pretty close and they throw…"
Jun 2, 2014
Ryan Gearheart replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"Joey makes some valid points. In my opinion you have to ask yourself is the RISK worth more than the REWARD? My own experiences working with multiple coaches with different philosophies always come back to that question. Also, if you do use Cleans…"
May 30, 2014
Jason Roe replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"Really well thought out post by John, and others on here.  There are some tremendous adaptations that can be brought about through Olympic lifts, but as John noted it comes down to risk/reward.  With the baseball players I have worked with…"
May 29, 2014
John Weatherly replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"This is excellent and points out the need for sports science/objective information.  With technology changing all the time and sensors such as those from Catapult Sports and others being used to collect data and inform, we should be able to…"
May 29, 2014
John Mikula replied to Sam Nickelsen's discussion Cleans good or bad for baseball players?
"This was probably one of the best dialogues I've witnessed on a strength-related platform, thanks for starting the discussion.  Coach Guzzo makes 4 great points at the end.  I don't mean for the discussion to go on for ever, but…"
May 29, 2014

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